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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 551 for the 12th of May

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2019 richardsaunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia winter is coming

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I think I heard that on some TV show

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somewhere the days are getting cooler

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here in Sydney and that's the skeptic

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zone weather forecast for today if you

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want the weather forecast in your local

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area there's always the Internet

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coming up on this week's show I catch up

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with Professor Paul Willis the

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well-known paleontologist Paul's gonna

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talk about his new venture his new

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project his new undertaking paleo

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pictures this is where he's going to be

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producing documentaries regarding and

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revolving concerning dinosaurs including

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the very interesting the mystery in the

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dinosaurs belly and if you ever want to

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be involved in helping to produce a

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scientific documentary here's your

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chance find out more with Professor Paul

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Willis coming up at the top of the show

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after that I run after dr. Cal Cruz on

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whiskey and I mean I run after dr.

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callicles and Hiskey we do an interview

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radio segments around Australia and

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available I interview call about the

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flat earth and the impact of

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anti-vaxxers and speaking of

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anti-vaxxers or VAX is in this case my

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report from the Australian skeptics flu

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vaccination clinic in Sydney held just

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last week in fact on the 4th of May Star

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Wars day interviews and reactions but

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not bad reactions I didn't I had a flu

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no bad reactions now this includes the

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first episode of a new web series called

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to underscore me underscore Oz Ozzie

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with Trish Han then I chat to Tom and

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jarana from the pint of science in

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Australia they are they are the national

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directors pint of science Australia runs

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events to bring researchers across all

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fields of science technology engineering

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community this is done in the pub coming

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up very soon later this month across

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Australia you can attend a pint of

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science event find out more coming up

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later on in the show then the run of the

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show life is wild life is very wild with

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biosecurity and why we have quarantine

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pets of certain well-known actors who

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dogs and wonder where those private cats

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cats their breakfast I hope you enjoy

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a piece of his mind

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with Professor Paul Willis

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and joining me on the line it is indeed

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associate and junk professor dr. Paul

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Willis hello Paul how are you Richard

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I'm very well and as we were just

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discussing before I'm not quite as

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hirsute as you are these days no this is

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probably the unfortunate side effect of

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losing the last influence in your life

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to say no I am now probably my own worst

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enemy when it comes to my fashion sense

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growing I might as well enjoy it while I

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well you're looking the part of an

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eccentric professor I'll put it that way

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and apart from anything else how's your

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battles going with things like you know

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the old favorites like the creationists

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quiet of like hmm you know I haven't

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like chaplains in schools and against

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lobbies to have religious freedoms which

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active in that area these days than in

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creationism but look if a creationist

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about why I wanted to talk to you today

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because you have a new venture a new

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undertaking going on which really sort

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least on the fringe please please tell

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us tell us all about it

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proposition of you know got back into

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professor I thought well you know that's

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the good-looking little sister who's

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lost away in the scullery and doesn't

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sexy areas of science that you know in

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this day and age that can be turned into

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about paleontology and use that money

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research they could release the

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documentary so that people could you

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wrong word it's a lot more easy to

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rock in the ice or whatever it is and lo

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and behold after much effort something

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appears it's like it's like a treasure

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unique feature of paleo pictures because

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whole production because you got to send

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order to cover that particular dig

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whereas I just need to go out there by

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yeah so the costs come down I can spend

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longer on site yeah so I can really get

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into what have you found what's

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happening okay so you know this is the

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bone that we saw on day one and it's now

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day ten look at what's emerge from the

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ground you know and we can go into the

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laboratories and see the preparation

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which takes ages in order to to release

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a fossil from the rocks and prepare it

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for display and study we can go into the

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study itself go into the offices of the

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of the paleontologists and follow what

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shoulder and that's I don't think that

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there's anybody else out there who's

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who's using that combination of talents

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in that way I think it's a terrific idea

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and I and it's it's an exciting idea

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it's new and you're absolutely right

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these days of course you can be a

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one-man one-man band so to speak you can

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be your own cameraman sound recorders

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producer and talent indeed and while I

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and a number of stories that I've

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produced for catalyst towards the end of

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my time there I was the sole person

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actually out there shooting and that was

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cost of sending a whole crew down to

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camera sound you know that's that's a

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huge budget saving yes and yes and yes

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to the whole idea of you know because of

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modern equipment

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it's so much easier for one person to go

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out and record documentary material and

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broadcast quality documentary material

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at that I'm shooting on an iPhone 10 and

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that is more than good enough to put

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onto the market as documentary footage

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yeah fat but I am actually in a very

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lucky position here with our first

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documentary which were already halfway

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through putting together in that it

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concerns some specimens that I picked up

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in the field in 1991 and back then I was

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that was long before I got involved with

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the ABC back then I was ahead of the

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curve as a paleontologist and I was

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taking a video camera into the field and

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instead of taking detailed field notes I

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was videotaping everything so I've

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actually got videotape of me in the

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field picking up the specimen that the

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research that I'm doing on now is is

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I've got it all on tape you know so

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there's this long continuity of footage

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for this particular documentary because

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way back then when I was a younger lad

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I'd bothered to take a video camera into

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the field folks it sounds like a very

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exciting proposition from I'll just

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shorten it to Professor Paul Wilson it's

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much less of a mouthful than all the

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other titles you have now how can people

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become involved look we've got a website

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Palio pictures calm we've got Facebook

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Twitter and Instagram feeds and a

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YouTube site where you can have a look

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at a trailer for the documentary that

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we're currently working on and if you go

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to the site and you want to contribute

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we've got a GoFundMe campaign up and

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running at the moment to just

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in initial working capital and there is

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also an opportunity for investors if if

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you think that it's such a good cause

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that you want to put some money up and

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buy some shares in paleo pictures it's

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all there on the website and and if I

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can just give a shout out yeah because

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it's members of the skeptic community

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that have come forward so far and bought

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shares in paleo pictures and a huge

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thanks to those people you know who you

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are

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you've got us up and running now folks

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the URL of course is paleo pictures calm

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that's P al a e Oh pictures calm stories

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from paleontology all the information is

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there there are links and you can see a

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teaser trailer there

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well Paul all the best with this

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undertaking we're going to catch up down

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the track to see how it's all going but

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folks if you want to be involved in

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science if you want to help a scientist

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to communicate science and if you're

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interested in paleontology that's the

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link for you well Paul Willis all the

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way over there in beautiful Adelaide in

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South Australia next time you go to the

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Antarctic I keep begging I keep begging

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that you take me as your Batman or your

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whatever I don't care let me know

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but for now thanks very much always a

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pleasure Richard and looking forward to

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catching up when we do go to publish

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this this research at the moment I think

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you have been most interested

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100 million years ago a dinosaur died

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and it's carcass was washed out to sea

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deep in its belly it carried a mystery

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that would take 21st century technology

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to solve the mystery was picked up in

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1991 when paleontologist and science

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reporter Paul Willis that's me

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found inexplicable holes in the matter

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barosaurus skeleton 25 years later and

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finally I came up with an identification

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okay I know what you're thinking how

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could a paleontologist have sitting

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under his nose for the best part of

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quarter of a century and not know what

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they were that is a good question

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we can't reveal what we found at the

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moment because the research is still

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ongoing but these fossils are a first

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for Australia and are unique in the

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world this is really exciting there are

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many more surprises revealed by this

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ongoing study the problem is these

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fossils are unlike any other fossils

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seen before

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in the mystery in the dinosaurs belly we

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present a new deal in documentary making

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the story is told by the scientists

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doing the research as the research is

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actually happening can I make my case

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and convince sceptical colleagues that I

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have the most extraordinary fossils ever

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recovered from Australia it's a real

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mystery great to find out what it is

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find out in the mystery in the

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dinosaur's belly

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I've been using these e-bikes lately

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they're like they're good they give you

389
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an assist they don't do the pedaling for

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you they assist you not significantly

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but enough to help ya so you go with it

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so we can do a quick interview on the

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run that might be fun

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we're approaching the bus interchange

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here it's sitting on with dr. Karl hello

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dr. Karl how are you today dr. Richard

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very very well I just had an enjoyable

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morning with you sitting in on your

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radio sessions a couple of questions I

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wanted to ask you in your opinion there

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are two things that seem to be making an

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impact on the world

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much to our chagrin the first one is a

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bit frivolous you might think but it's

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there the growing popularity of the Flat

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Earth conspiracy and it is more and more

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people younger people I guess are

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starting to think the earth is really

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flat have you got any idea why this

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might be happening speaking from a

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scientific point of view and knowing the

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historical background to this story

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the answer is no the origin of this myth

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goes back to the mid 1800s when writers

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in both the USA and in France to point

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out how wonderful we humans were

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Dandridge 1500 m in 1800 and how we had

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conquered the world then say we are so

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wonderful and in fact we've gone so far

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ahead of our predecessors and they threw

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in the magic phrase who thought that the

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earth was flat yeah in fact this is

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completely wrong Aristophanes knew the

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earth was round 2,000 years ago and he

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actually measured the diameter of the

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earth thank you to within 10% so it was

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well known above anybody who was a

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sailor as well they knew that the earth

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was curved but this myth was invented in

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the 1850s to show how we humans have

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progressed and in some how and this

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befuddles me totally it has come back

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into the common realm and I do not know

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why what's your theory

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might think it's partly this

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conspiratorial thinking is the internet

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largely responsible for it I were just

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walking up to a bus now you know we can

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get this bus I think okay - oh oh that's

440
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okay yeah yeah we can keep going yeah

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anyway and it is the same sort of

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thinking that is behind a lot of

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conspiracy theories like chemtrails and

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Andy vaccinations and that stuff people

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just jump on board it's a simple message

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the earth is fact that you've been lied

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to all this time is that part of the

448
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:48,820
whole wellness conspiracy theory hang on

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yeah we're just sitting on the bus now

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is interviewing on the run there goes my

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registered okay we're back here welcome

452
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,890
welcome to my office

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so as part of the illness conspiracy

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theory where the wellness guru gives you

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secret knowledge that Western medicine

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is covering us yes so you are now part

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of the secret people who have the real

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00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,059
knowledge you have left being one of the

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sheeple of me sure yes sheep and people

460
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and you are now one of the elite who

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really knows what's going on you're

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beating the system you're ahead of the

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curve all that sort of stuff yeah so

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maybe there's one element of

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attractiveness about a conspiracy theory

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but the overwhelming thing for me is

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that it's just plain wrong and the earth

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effect we're not just flat but but

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easily demonstrated to be circular

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spherical and I think you're right but

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on the same line the other thing that is

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very worrying to us lately in the last

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six months we are getting more and more

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reports about Meisel outbreaks around

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the world where we thought measles have

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been done

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this is what is known in the military

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traders collateral damage where of these

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people who do get measles as a result as

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a direct result of declining herd

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immunity 1000 of them will die and

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having worked as a medical doctor I find

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this very distressing I was there

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working in Sydney at the Children's

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Hospital and Kevin down went after a 20

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year period of zero deaths from whooping

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cough we had the first death in all of

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Australia

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dude dude totally to the TV series a

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Current Affair giving huge publicity to

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the anti-vaxxers yeah I don't know what

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I was selling mate was dog food maybe it

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was cars but as far as they were

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concerned they were getting people

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watching this show yeah and the fact

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that they told them lies about

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vaccinations which led to the different

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baby

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well they didn't deliberately go and

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kill the baby they just said words and

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if people chose not to give vaccinate

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and a baby dog woofs they say to

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themselves they weren't responsible his

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typical tabloid television is that they

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just after the story after the

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sensational after the shock or whatever

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it is I actually spoke to the person

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involved who was one of the bigwigs on

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whether one of the presenters on a

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Current Affair in the green room at

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channel 9 and approached that person and

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they stuck very resolutely to the line

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that there were two sides of the story

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and that they were just giving equal

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time

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each side the story however consider

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this suppose that you are a chef and

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that you have a terrible terrible

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00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:30,210
infectious disease and as a result

520
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you've got terrible terrible diarrhea

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but times are bad so you got to keep on

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working to earn money and you go to the

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bathroom and you end up getting feces on

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your hands and you Pepe I would serve

525
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some food well one option is that you

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wash your hands and the other option is

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that you don't Willis two options each

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option according to the character fair

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00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:48,780
theory it does equal weight and so

530
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therefore you don't wash your hands and

531
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then you spread your disease among

532
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:55,350
people so you do not always have equal

533
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:57,270
weight to each side of the story

534
00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:58,860
sometimes one side has more weight than

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00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:00,840
the other in case of explanation we've

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00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:03,809
got 400 years of data range starting off

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00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:06,390
with variolation going into vaccination

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00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,130
and David Isaac's our professor of

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00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,960
pediatrics has written a book on this

540
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:12,059
called something about Masters of

541
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:14,580
Deception David Isaac's a wonderful book

542
00:25:19,399 --> 00:25:17,330
on vaccination masters of death now Trey

543
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:19,409
masters of something we can look it up

544
00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:21,510
that remind your story reminds me the

545
00:25:25,399 --> 00:25:23,480
other thing false balance or false

546
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:25,409
compromise where you say well what's a

547
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,059
compromise okay well what's just one

548
00:25:32,270 --> 00:25:30,000
hand he can wash one here

549
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,280
yeah well so getting back to what people

550
00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:34,980
believe conspiracy theories a lot of

551
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:36,870
reading on it a lot of literature I

552
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,960
still haven't found any answer that

553
00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:42,480
convinces me to this is the correct

554
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:44,280
reason as to why people believe rubbish

555
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:47,460
but nevertheless you see people you hear

556
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:49,110
them in the world around you believing

557
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,940
rubbish so it's a real phenomenon but I

558
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:52,440
don't have a group cause for a good

559
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:53,130
explanation

560
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:55,380
thank you dr. Karl and yes we are

561
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:57,450
recording in the middle of a city bus

562
00:26:01,460 --> 00:25:59,610
heading up city roads

563
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:01,470
yeah this is City Road isn't the City

564
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:04,170
Road University yeah and when they built

565
00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:07,050
the University of Sydney 150 or so years

566
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,630
ago it was there were much many

567
00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:11,580
complaints because it was too far out of

568
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:13,920
the town of City being a whole kilometer

569
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:27,640
[Music]

570
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:30,230
today this dr. Karl Karl Chris must be

571
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,710
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

572
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:33,900
out more about me at dr. Karl calm and

573
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:51,430
[Music]

574
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:54,020
here we are once again may the 4th be

575
00:26:58,460 --> 00:26:55,830
with you it's the 4th of May I'm here at

576
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,470
the East Sydney doctors and I'm looking

577
00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:00,539
at a wondrous sight Trish and I'm

578
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:02,280
looking at a wondrous sight it's a table

579
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,220
full of cupcakes and that's what we're

580
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:07,919
really here for and after we eat the

581
00:27:11,659 --> 00:27:09,480
cupcakes or before we eat the cupcakes

582
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:11,669
were all going to get a flu vaccination

583
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:14,250
oh you're tempting me now you're opening

584
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:15,990
up the cupcakes in front of my eyes what

585
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:17,220
are they they're blueberry ones are

586
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:20,010
savory we've got chocolate we've got all

587
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:23,400
sorts of oh what's this mini chop chip

588
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:26,580
muffins this is pretty this is pretty

589
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:28,140
good so we did this last year so

590
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:30,270
skeptics here in Sydney had a

591
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:33,630
vaccination day flu vaccination day and

592
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:35,640
it was a great success in fact I

593
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,330
reported on that on show 500 and we're

594
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,700
back again hello Lara from the committee

595
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,320
you're here for your vaccinations yes I

596
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:46,320
am yes the WiiU here last year remind me

597
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:48,809
for this day I was here last year I

598
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,169
forget these things and oh there's dr.

599
00:27:56,419 --> 00:27:55,080
Brad McCoy stepping forward with his

600
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,429
medical supplies you'll be giving

601
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:59,100
yourself vaccinations a bit later on

602
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:00,990
we're expecting a good turn up here

603
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:03,270
today and I think it sends out a good

604
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:04,890
message yeah we've got quite a lot of

605
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,630
people registered so assuming they will

606
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:08,520
turn up we're gonna be very very busy if

607
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:09,929
they don't turn up we get to eat all

608
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:10,650
these cupcakes

609
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:16,790
it's Tim Mendham the editor of extreme

610
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:19,110
skeptics magazine the skeptic the

611
00:28:23,270 --> 00:28:20,790
skeptic has the latest issue coming

612
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:23,280
along Jim X I got one not so long ago in

613
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:24,840
the post you would have done actually

614
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:25,830
that would have been the March issues

615
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:27,390
we're working on the June issue right

616
00:28:31,670 --> 00:28:28,650
now which is obviously going to come out

617
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:31,680
in June pretty appropriate big feature

618
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:34,140
in that on free speech and what it

619
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,220
actually means and what are the legal

620
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:37,620
implications of free speech plus other

621
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:41,630
stories major article about UFO

622
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,490
claimants and the US military and how

623
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:46,080
they actually interact or not actually

624
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:47,850
in the secret knowledge that sort of

625
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:48,600
thing

626
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,850
and in that sort of Spacey theme because

627
00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:52,380
we have to note that it is actually the

628
00:29:00,260 --> 00:28:55,940
50th anniversary well the moon landing

629
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:00,270
absolutely it is indeed and the it is

630
00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:05,790
that's that in very soon and we were

631
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:08,280
just having a discussion before because

632
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:11,550
today on the interwebs it came to my

633
00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:14,160
attention that I've been quoted somebody

634
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:16,800
in Duluth read an article in The

635
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:18,930
Skeptical Inquirer and used my name

636
00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:20,490
to write a letter to the editor of

637
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:22,920
something else oh it was quite it's

638
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:24,150
quite interesting and you were saying

639
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:27,470
that not so long ago the skeptics were

640
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,670
taken to task in a letter to the editor

641
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:31,740
but the person got us completely wrong

642
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:33,330
that's right exactly right I mean sort

643
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:34,980
of obviously we're becoming very famous

644
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:37,170
in the u.s. yeah in that what Duluth of

645
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:38,940
decent and when I got mentioned in was a

646
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:43,350
tiny town and yeah they were talking

647
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:45,480
about some of the acclaim that was a

648
00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:47,610
response to a different letter and they

649
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:48,780
made a claim that the Australian

650
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:51,600
skeptics but you know stand for this etc

651
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,970
and we've given an award to someone for

652
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,440
this particular I think about climate

653
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,080
change simply gave an award to someone

654
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,760
about it was against climate change they

655
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,440
had to write back and say correct the

656
00:30:06,419 --> 00:30:04,020
well people just assume that we are

657
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:06,429
because they hear the word skeptic

658
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:08,769
they've heard the words climate change

659
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:11,289
skeptics only are Australians given exam

660
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:12,700
they must be climate change skeptics

661
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,049
yeah well sort of one person who's

662
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:16,480
particularly known as a against climate

663
00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:18,369
change here in Australia many years ago

664
00:30:22,769 --> 00:30:19,960
was a very good worker for Australian

665
00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:22,779
skeptics against creationists yeah that

666
00:30:26,369 --> 00:30:23,980
was a totally different thing but I mean

667
00:30:28,169 --> 00:30:26,379
he was very effective in that area and

668
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:28,179
we supported him Amanda we gave him an

669
00:30:32,009 --> 00:30:29,860
award because of it but therefore people

670
00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:32,019
confuse the two they do they can diffuse

671
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,119
the two but let there be no confusion we

672
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:35,919
are not being the same as the climate

673
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:40,570
change skeptics and you've just had your

674
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:44,830
flu shot and you're now sticking on a an

675
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:47,350
Australian skeptics transfer tattoo and

676
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:49,720
at the same time you're eyeing this

677
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,629
table of cupcakes and muffins and how

678
00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:53,919
was your experience

679
00:31:02,159 --> 00:30:59,590
oh it was fun it didn't hurt the

680
00:31:04,649 --> 00:31:02,169
syringes and these cupcakes look

681
00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:04,659
delicious although I have to say I'm

682
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,509
more of a savory person and I tried them

683
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:09,279
last time they were delicious but very

684
00:31:13,499 --> 00:31:11,350
sweet you're right actually

685
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:13,509
what I discovered last year when I had

686
00:31:19,019 --> 00:31:17,529
my flu vaccination dr. brad is it it

687
00:31:21,239 --> 00:31:19,029
doesn't hurt I mean you hardly notice

688
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:21,249
it's happening at all which is a good

689
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:23,529
thing no and you know you've got the

690
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:25,480
benefit of having to worry less about

691
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,820
getting the flu in winter so that's

692
00:31:31,109 --> 00:31:29,679
perfect and it's great weather for a

693
00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:31,119
nice little walk through darlinghurst

694
00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,299
and catching up with some skeptics so

695
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:36,429
that's all good it's a good day and I

696
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:37,809
think your transfer is just about ready

697
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:41,230
let's have a look peel off the paper yes

698
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:43,450
work fantastically

699
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:46,089
and she should be ready by now so just

700
00:31:58,529 --> 00:31:55,919
there is I got it look at that I just

701
00:32:03,839 --> 00:31:58,539
have to pat down that corner you've got

702
00:32:05,099 --> 00:32:03,849
it thank you thank you I think people

703
00:32:06,749 --> 00:32:05,109
are really coming here just for the

704
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:06,759
cupcakes you've got what's this a choc

705
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,369
chip one chip muffin yeah it's quite

706
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:12,159
nice and this is one of the little

707
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:14,049
bonuses extra bonuses are coming along

708
00:32:18,739 --> 00:32:16,809
the Australian skeptics flu vaccination

709
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:18,749
day how did you find out about the day I

710
00:32:27,539 --> 00:32:23,529
found out about it on my nursing page

711
00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:27,549
that I study they posted about this free

712
00:32:33,089 --> 00:32:31,269
flu vaccination day right and I just saw

713
00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:33,099
come along if you thought to be a good

714
00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:36,339
thing and I didn't expect this sort of

715
00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:39,489
integrate thing oh you never know what

716
00:32:43,159 --> 00:32:41,019
to expect with the Australian skeptics

717
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,169
but now I'm very pleased to see you and

718
00:32:47,879 --> 00:32:45,039
congratulations are rolling up rolling

719
00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:47,889
up your sleeve as it were and getting

720
00:32:53,339 --> 00:32:51,309
your flu vaccination Thank You Jessica

721
00:32:54,989 --> 00:32:53,349
you're here for your vaccination I'm

722
00:32:56,969 --> 00:32:54,999
here for my vaccination but I'm also

723
00:32:59,459 --> 00:32:56,979
here in my capacity as committee member

724
00:33:02,639 --> 00:32:59,469
meeting and greeting people and giving

725
00:33:04,259 --> 00:33:02,649
them the forms to fill out and generally

726
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,269
helping things run smoothly

727
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,159
I hope watch off - it's off to a great

728
00:33:11,879 --> 00:33:09,539
start there we are dr. bodis as we speak

729
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:11,889
vaccinating some-somebody us against the

730
00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:14,200
flu we've had people lining up for their

731
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:17,169
cupcakes and tattoos have you got your

732
00:33:20,339 --> 00:33:19,089
tattoo yet I don't have my tattoo yet

733
00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:20,349
but there's a really good selection

734
00:33:25,289 --> 00:33:21,969
isn't there what would you recommend

735
00:33:29,219 --> 00:33:25,299
this what is that I can't write that

736
00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:29,229
oh it says spread live not the flu this

737
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:31,359
one is our logo these stones that I've

738
00:33:36,959 --> 00:33:32,950
got one on each hand strain sceptics

739
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:36,969
logo there we go fantastic dude do we

740
00:33:41,819 --> 00:33:39,129
also have a hug me unvaccinated one yeah

741
00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:41,829
I think so I think so we'll put that one

742
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:46,920
on you in your thank-you

743
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:49,620
and it's come to my turn hi dr. Brad

744
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:51,570
hello Richards great to see you again

745
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:52,950
haven't seen you for a little while but

746
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,410
you do mine exotic travel gallivanting

747
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,210
around the place but I send you messages

748
00:34:02,390 --> 00:33:58,860
say dr. Brad I've got this nasty

749
00:34:04,010 --> 00:34:02,400
reaction when you send me photos that

750
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:04,020
know the problems the problem anyway

751
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:05,580
Here I am I'm sitting next to dr. Brad

752
00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:08,370
were under the flu vaccination sign and

753
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:12,140
I'm time for me to roll up my sleeve so

754
00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:14,610
there we go this way you tell everybody

755
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:20,179
your age Richard Oh everybody knows

756
00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:21,330
21:21

757
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:23,880
I do he's a 21 year old vaccinate thank

758
00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:28,710
you some somewhere in my early 50s how

759
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:31,620
about that oh okay now you're just

760
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:37,320
preparing the syringe Remo to stop

761
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:39,030
yourself from getting influenza this

762
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:42,450
year so we have a a quadrivalent vaccine

763
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,070
which protects you against two type A

764
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:46,679
and two type B influenza viruses yeah

765
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:48,630
and we're anticipating that it should

766
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:50,940
last for hopefully three to six months

767
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:52,590
so getting you through the whole

768
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,270
terrible winter season

769
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:55,980
excellent and for someone like me who

770
00:35:00,380 --> 00:34:58,410
gather pants I need all the protection I

771
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,390
can get over here if you're not getting

772
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,790
on and off planes all the time then you

773
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,320
are the prime candidate for being

774
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:06,480
coughed and sneezed on in a in a very

775
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,910
tight tin can in the middle of the sky

776
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,920
oh I think I've been put off flying

777
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,500
forever anyway here it comes here just

778
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:15,420
preparing my arm at the moment a little

779
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:17,370
bit of them so you'll need to relax a

780
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,940
little bit more richer I'm not going to

781
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:22,320
look I'm not going thinking of walking

782
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:29,040
along the beach yeah oh and yep a little

783
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:32,310
bit of a scratch yeah and yeah I could

784
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:34,170
obviously feel it there's no pain it's

785
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,570
just like somebody scratching you or

786
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,760
something overdone hold on oh darling

787
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:40,680
band-aid goes on you're not allergic to

788
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:42,790
band-aids

789
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:45,820
yeah one of those questions doctors

790
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,410
often forget to ask okay interesting

791
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:48,960
until we are like approaching

792
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:52,510
approaching you and going oh no well

793
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:54,820
thank you very much that's great quick

794
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,470
if I can literally painless but the best

795
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,720
thing is now I can legitimately get one

796
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:00,160
of these cupcakes so again let

797
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:02,860
everything in balance so yeah healthy to

798
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:11,130
skeptics certainly were ready to roll up

799
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,100
there Stephen even even now editor Tim

800
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:16,960
Mendham is getting his flu vaccination

801
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,950
shot as it happens Tim you're about to

802
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:23,200
get your flu shot your vaccination your

803
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:25,210
immunization that the word we must use

804
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:27,610
whatever it is right now I'm extremely

805
00:36:52,930 --> 00:36:29,170
nervous about this actually I don't know

806
00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:55,390
so flu vaccination days can be a lot of

807
00:37:00,810 --> 00:36:57,020
fighting but actually I'd really enjoy

808
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:04,180
now I did this last year the flu

809
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:05,930
vaccination clinic is well underway

810
00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:07,970
inside I'm walking down onto the street

811
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,350
it's a very quiet out here on the street

812
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:14,240
it's Martin Headley from the committee

813
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:16,460
but have you been keeping all the

814
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:17,810
protesters the anti vaccination

815
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:20,060
protestors at bay not much trouble from

816
00:37:23,290 --> 00:37:21,050
them so far

817
00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:23,300
in fact it's there's nobody here at the

818
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:26,180
moment it's very quiet indeed well just

819
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:28,360
people enjoying a beautiful day yeah

820
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,920
some cyclists going past and his keys

821
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:32,960
one of these newfangled lectric bikes

822
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:33,620
there we go

823
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:37,010
so he oh she is getting power-assist

824
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:38,330
going up the hill it's rude to point

825
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:39,950
Richard history at the point I wish him

826
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:40,490
good

827
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,970
Thank You Martin walk back inside now

828
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:46,640
and and as was the case last year the

829
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:48,710
hordes of auntie Beck's protesters did

830
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:52,370
not show up well it's been a very

831
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,230
enjoyable afternoon here at the Sydney

832
00:37:59,890 --> 00:37:56,960
doctors clinic more and more people are

833
00:38:02,320 --> 00:37:59,900
coming up we've got a young family just

834
00:38:04,090 --> 00:38:02,330
coming up for flu vaccinations Brad is

835
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:04,100
busy in the corner there chatting to the

836
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:06,080
next patient to get their flu

837
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:08,180
vaccination and I think it's a very

838
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:09,740
worthwhile thing that the Australian

839
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:12,050
skeptics have done last year and this

840
00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:14,110
year helping to protect our community

841
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:29,400
[Music]

842
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:32,710
hi my name is Trish and can I just talk

843
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:34,850
to you about the flu vaccine or more

844
00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:36,350
specifically when you should get

845
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:38,390
immunized in the southern hemisphere the

846
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:40,010
flu vaccine becomes available in March

847
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,270
but should you run out and get it

848
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:44,000
straight away or should you wait as you

849
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:45,710
may know you need to get an updated flu

850
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:47,570
vaccine every year to keep up with the

851
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:49,730
mutating virus and the latest research

852
00:38:53,470 --> 00:38:51,830
shows a vaccine may only last for three

853
00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:53,480
to six months before you lose protection

854
00:38:58,030 --> 00:38:56,150
so timing is essential while the world

855
00:38:59,530 --> 00:38:58,040
sees cases of influenza throughout the

856
00:39:01,870 --> 00:38:59,540
year in the southern hemisphere the

857
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:01,880
thirties and really begins in June it

858
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:03,590
spreads through offices and train

859
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,630
carriages increasing to peak flu season

860
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:08,480
around August and it's usually all over

861
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:10,820
and done with by October so what's the

862
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:13,250
best time well you don't need to rush to

863
00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:14,930
the pharmacy too early but the vaccine

864
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:16,550
does take a couple of weeks before it

865
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,260
starts working so don't wait until

866
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:20,240
everyone's already snotty and miserable

867
00:39:24,609 --> 00:39:23,030
it looks like May is a good time to get

868
00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:24,619
immunized because the vaccine will offer

869
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:26,660
the best protection over the peak of the

870
00:39:30,220 --> 00:39:28,940
season you may be listening to this and

871
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:30,230
wondering if you could just go ahead and

872
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:32,030
have two vaccines spaced out over the

873
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:34,250
year well you might be right you might

874
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:36,440
be wrong science hasn't proven this yet

875
00:39:40,359 --> 00:39:38,660
and while it might sound logical it's

876
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:40,369
probably best to wait until we know for

877
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:42,650
sure this information is based on a

878
00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:44,780
typical flu season so keep an eye out

879
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:46,190
for bulletins from your local public

880
00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:48,050
health department as each season has its

881
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:50,359
own individual quirks and of course if

882
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,040
you have problems with your health or if

883
00:39:57,310 --> 00:39:53,920
you're pregnant speak with your doctor

884
00:39:59,290 --> 00:39:57,320
above all else the most effective way to

885
00:40:02,109 --> 00:39:59,300
protect yourself from the flu is to get

886
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,119
vaccinated it not only decreases your

887
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,920
chance of becoming a snotty flu factory

888
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:05,359
but it might just stop you from

889
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:06,950
infecting your friends and family with a

890
00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:10,590
virus that kills thousands every year

891
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:26,080
[Music]

892
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:28,090
and joining me now from Canberra

893
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:31,090
Australia's capital it's Tom and girona

894
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:35,650
from pint of science hello hello very

895
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:38,620
lovely to be here hi Ricky thanks a lot

896
00:40:42,450 --> 00:40:40,750
for sparing some time to tell me

897
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,460
especially me and all our listeners

898
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,280
around the world about pint of science

899
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:47,200
now I like a pint I like a pint of

900
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,140
Guinness myself what's pint of science

901
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:53,440
all about so pi designs is an

902
00:41:00,000 --> 00:40:56,110
international special across three days

903
00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:00,010
or a week in may now this here is the

904
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:02,080
main festival goes through the 20th to

905
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:05,230
the 22nd of May and the aim is to get

906
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:07,510
scientists down to the pub have a bit of

907
00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:10,090
a chat over a bevy or two depending what

908
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:13,660
you're into and discuss science or to be

909
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,450
more specific their current research so

910
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:17,920
we're interested in finding out what

911
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:19,960
they're up to right now and what's the

912
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:22,420
upcoming science that's happening around

913
00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:24,760
us or to be honest just around the

914
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:26,920
corner from you what we really love

915
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,870
about it is you're bringing local

916
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:30,910
research into the local pub to talk to

917
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,070
local people and that's something that

918
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:35,280
you don't see in a lot of other festival

919
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:38,590
absolutely now you may you may be aware

920
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:40,690
that Australian skeptics and skeptics in

921
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:41,890
general around the world have had

922
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:43,240
something called skeptics in the pub

923
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:46,390
going for many many many years and this

924
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,910
is a monthly event but the idea is it's

925
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:50,800
very informal or you can't get much more

926
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:53,560
informal than a pub and you have special

927
00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:55,330
guests and speakers and people can just

928
00:42:00,660 --> 00:41:57,940
socialise chat have a drink and discover

929
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:00,670
more and it seems to me that's

930
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:02,590
absolutely your philosophy get the

931
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:04,510
scientists out of the lab get them into

932
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,330
a every day setting so people can simply

933
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:09,760
talk with them definitely and I think

934
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:12,550
there's there's nothing greater to

935
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:15,730
humanize the scientists then for someone

936
00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:17,110
who's sitting in the audience to be

937
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:18,760
ready for the first talk to start and

938
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:20,110
the person who's sitting beside you that

939
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:22,030
you just bought a beer with it gets up

940
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:26,050
to talk it's a wonderful wonderful

941
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:30,340
platform to be able to really be able to

942
00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:32,830
hear the person behind the science and

943
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:34,900
hear the stories and hear about the

944
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:38,540
science is happening right now that's

945
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:41,300
we quite often see the big stories that

946
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:44,300
come through the media we'll hear about

947
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:47,150
the giant breakthroughs in astronomy or

948
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:49,160
in medical research but it is really

949
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:52,310
valuable for us to be able to hear about

950
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:54,350
a lot of the steps that go along the way

951
00:43:00,520 --> 00:42:58,130
with the science discovery I can't think

952
00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:00,530
of a more enjoyable way to spend an

953
00:43:04,359 --> 00:43:02,420
evening than having a nice social drink

954
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,369
in a very relaxed setting chatting to a

955
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:06,800
scientist or hearing a scientist bring

956
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:09,530
their news and information to you what's

957
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:11,540
happening around Australia to begin with

958
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:13,270
what have you got lined up

959
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:16,700
well our festival covers most if not all

960
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:19,750
topics of science we actually have our

961
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:23,090
themes as you May to help kind of guide

962
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:25,609
the audience and our speakers into the

963
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:28,040
different topics to theme a night so we

964
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:30,910
have topics that surround things such as

965
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:35,030
antimatter and talking about all the

966
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:36,440
things happening in space which is a

967
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:38,090
very hot topic right now in Australia

968
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:40,790
yeah we have other things covering

969
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:43,580
climate change jellyfish

970
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:46,220
we're talking about koalas which is

971
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,200
really really interesting for those who

972
00:43:53,650 --> 00:43:50,480
don't know it is a marsupial animal that

973
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:53,660
is kind of like a kangaroo but much

974
00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:57,640
smaller and is spotted we're talking

975
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:58,790
firestorms

976
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:02,480
and it's such a big array of different

977
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:04,130
fields of science we're covering things

978
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:07,550
from all the way including politics and

979
00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:10,040
policies around science and including

980
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:12,140
things you might be more familiar with

981
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,890
in the animal fields or the microbiology

982
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:18,560
fields but then there's also things such

983
00:44:23,859 --> 00:44:21,350
as brains and neuroscience and talking

984
00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:23,869
about how we think when even our mental

985
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:25,790
health is becoming a topic that comes

986
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:28,210
through with our scientists as well so

987
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:30,710
it's everything that you could think

988
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:33,080
goes under the banner of science we've

989
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:34,970
probably got a topic about it it's

990
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:39,260
actually a really really fun way for for

991
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:41,690
you to go along and find out bits of

992
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:43,010
science that you're not familiar with

993
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:44,570
them that's actually something that we

994
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:47,450
find a lot of a lot of our audience who

995
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,250
are already professional researchers who

996
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,760
do come along they use this kind of

997
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:54,640
as a as a way of being able to find out

998
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:57,220
what other science is happening as

999
00:45:00,270 --> 00:44:58,810
opposed to just sticking to their their

1000
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:00,280
own the only mate chemistry if there are

1001
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:01,780
chemists or only their biology of their

1002
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,490
a biologist and that reminds me of the

1003
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:05,440
story you were telling me where a

1004
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:07,150
scientists went along to another

1005
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:09,490
scientist event and actually found out a

1006
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:12,070
way to change their research to then

1007
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:14,410
find out their problem I can't remember

1008
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:15,130
the full story

1009
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:16,150
do you remember what I'm told I'm not

1010
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,590
sure I can remember the full story but I

1011
00:45:21,810 --> 00:45:19,359
remember the context around it yeah and

1012
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:21,820
I know that they then went on to form a

1013
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:24,430
collaboration and so I don't I don't

1014
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:25,840
think there's any anything that's come

1015
00:45:29,849 --> 00:45:28,570
out yet but definitely there has been a

1016
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:29,859
recent at least one research

1017
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:31,690
collaboration that we can claim at point

1018
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:34,690
of science I'm sure you're right and you

1019
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:36,250
know what folks I'm just looking at the

1020
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:38,080
website as we're chatting which is pint

1021
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:40,690
of science one word.com today you and

1022
00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:42,940
I'm blown away it should be called

1023
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:44,980
gallon of science because there's a

1024
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:47,230
little button here you scroll down every

1025
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:48,970
major city just about in Australia's

1026
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:51,369
covered and just for example I'm

1027
00:45:55,859 --> 00:45:53,650
pressing on the Cindy button and event

1028
00:45:58,109 --> 00:45:55,869
after event after event this is all

1029
00:46:01,800 --> 00:45:58,119
happening from the 20th to the 22nd of

1030
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:01,810
May here in Australia more science and

1031
00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:03,550
you can focus to get but how does it

1032
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:07,780
work internationally so so it did start

1033
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:11,920
in the UK and then very very rapidly

1034
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:15,609
the idea grew and shared around the

1035
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:18,790
world so in 2013 7 in the UK the very

1036
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:21,190
next year that turned up in Sydney in

1037
00:46:25,830 --> 00:46:24,190
Australia in 2014 and then the year

1038
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:25,840
after that I think we were in something

1039
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:29,830
like four or five cities and we fast

1040
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,710
forward to 2019 and we are in 19 cities

1041
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:35,920
around the country so far there are 24

1042
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:38,530
countries that have a part of the

1043
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:41,710
festival and there's supposed to be over

1044
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:45,280
400 and 400 venues and over a thousand

1045
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:48,250
events it's a huge festival it certainly

1046
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:50,320
is folks once again I can recommend that

1047
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,500
you visit pint of science.com today you

1048
00:46:59,460 --> 00:46:55,800
do that now to see what's coming up

1049
00:47:01,410 --> 00:46:59,470
later on in May and if you're in near

1050
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:01,420
one of these events do you have a wealth

1051
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:02,500
of

1052
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:07,480
you can have a drink with and you can

1053
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:09,820
learn a lot more about it well I'm

1054
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:11,980
looking forward to it immensely I'm

1055
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:14,020
already perusing which events I will

1056
00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:16,090
attend here in Sydney there are just so

1057
00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:17,500
many to choose from in lots of different

1058
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:21,160
pubs but for now Tom and Jonah all the

1059
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,020
way from Canberra for pint of science

1060
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:27,440
thank you very much thank you thank you

1061
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:37,440
[Music]

1062
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,850
now here are some announcements from

1063
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:41,680
sceptical events happening around

1064
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:45,270
Australia on Tuesday the 14th of May

1065
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:48,580
secret scientists Australian code

1066
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:51,700
breakers in the second world war this is

1067
00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:54,130
brought to you by social skeptics in

1068
00:48:01,650 --> 00:47:57,730
Canberra from 6 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. with

1069
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:01,660
guest speaker David Duffy the venue is

1070
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:04,090
the Belconnen community service in

1071
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:06,430
Chandler Street Belconnen in the a CT

1072
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:09,670
and the cost is free during the Second

1073
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:11,590
World War a motley collection of

1074
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:14,940
mathematicians classicists linguists and

1075
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:18,070
radio experts came together in a secret

1076
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:20,470
organization in brisbane to crack the

1077
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:24,100
japanese military codes drawing from his

1078
00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:26,950
book the secret code breakers of central

1079
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:30,040
bureau david duffy will take us into the

1080
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,770
hidden lives of these unsung australian

1081
00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:35,680
heroes and their world of deadly puzzles

1082
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:38,350
now that sounds like a fascinating talk

1083
00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:42,720
you can find out more by visiting WWE

1084
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:43,840
skeptics

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org and our friends in the Mordy Alex

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skeptics in the pub the Morty skeptics

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in the pub on the 4th of June have the

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Science Talent Search promoting science

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education for 68 years and that's from

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7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.

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and I will have links to both those

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events in this week's show notes life is

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wild with Michelle Franklin do you

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remember a few years back when a rich

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and famous actor decided to bring his

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beloved pets into Australia on a holiday

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but instead of doing it the legal way by

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putting them through quarantine first he

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decided to just smuggle them in and not

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tell anyone and then do you remember the

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uproar when he was caught first from the

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Australian side when a formally beloved

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actor suddenly became public enemy

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number one and there were hashtags and

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memes and petitions and talk of film

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boycotts fines deportations jail time

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and possibly even euthanasia then in

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response the rest of the world was

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shocked by what they perceived to be a

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ridiculous overreaction because after

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all it was just a couple of pampered

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pets and clearly they're in perfect

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health

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I can understand this point of view and

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I agree that the chances are actually

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fairly slim that these individual dogs

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happen to carry exotic pests and

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diseases that could threaten biosecurity

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in Australia the chance is not zero

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which is why we have quarantine

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Australia is isolated and relatively

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clean we don't have all the pests and

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diseases that are common in some

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countries and we take biosecurity

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seriously because we don't want for

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example rabies this is why we have

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quarantine laws it's not that you can't

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bring your pets here you absolutely can

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you just have to have them checked first

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to make sure that they're not carrying

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anything you are dangerous into the

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country

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so yes the chances of pistol and Boo

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being unknowingly infected and then

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transmitting something like rabies to

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the local population is quite small but

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remember we're completely naive to some

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of these pests and diseases and a single

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animal bringing something in could start

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the next outbreak in our unvaccinated

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and previously unexposed population

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these dogs were born and raised in a

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country that is a known risk for certain

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pests and diseases and while some

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animals are vaccinated the vast majority

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are not let me draw an analogy imagine a

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different celebrity one with a couple of

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children and maybe they leave in nimbin

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or Byron Bay or some other

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anti-vaccination hotspot and maybe their

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kids happen to be unvaccinated they

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might be strong healthy children but

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they pose a certain level of risk just

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by existing unvaccinated in a population

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known to harbor certain diseases

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now imagine that there was a measles

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outbreak at the school that these

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children attend so to protect the lives

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and health of vulnerable people

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quarantine laws were introduced which

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required that anyone coming from no an

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infected areas go through quarantine

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before being allowed to visit the

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leukemia wing at the local Children's

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Hospital in this scenario how would you

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feel about a rich privileged actor just

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bypassing the quarantine system and

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bringing their little vector spawn into

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the hospital for a visit just because

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they wanted to chances are they'll

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probably get away with it because the

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kids are healthy and probably not

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carrying rabies but we have quarantine

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laws in place for a reason and that

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reason is to protect us and our

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environment from infectious diseases and

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pests ignoring quarantine laws like this

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is similar to ignoring medical experts

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on vaccinations it's not a malicious

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action no one does it because they want

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to spread infectious diseases the

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problems arise when people don't

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understand the reason for a rule or a

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00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:21,760
recommendation and they assume that if

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00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:23,650
they don't understand it it's probably

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not important so in a rich and

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privileged actor failed to understand

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the reasons for our quarantine laws

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he decided that his own assessment of

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the situation was good enough he broke

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the law and threatened our biosecurity

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so next time you encounter a law that

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you don't understand go ahead and

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question it ask what it's for and why

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00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:47,380
it's there but don't ignore it based on

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your own lack of understanding because

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chances are that the law was made for a

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reason and what's made with reason

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone now don't forget don't forget later

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on in the year in December we have

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skeptic on 2019 in Melbourne links in

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this week's show notes and so far the

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the big news is that the skeptics guide

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to the universe crew are coming down for

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that as well as susan gerbic from

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00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:36,270
guerrilla skepticism with lots more

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00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:38,940
special guests and announcements to come

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up in the following months and the link

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is skeptic on.org

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not a you but if you're in northern

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california you don't have to wait that

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long for a fabulous one-day skeptical

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event skeptic owl is Northern

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California's conference on science and

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skepticism a day-long event with

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speakers and discussions on critical

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00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:03,930
thinking this year skeptic owl will be

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held on Sunday the 9th of June at the

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Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport

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00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:13,800
registration is now open and you can

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00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,430
find out more by visiting skeptic Alcon

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00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:20,400
that's one word.com and of course there

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will be a link in this week's show notes

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now The Skeptical events coming up later

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on in the year we have Dragon Con in

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00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,960
Atlanta Georgia I hope to be there to

1229
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,359
take part in The Skeptical track there

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00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:36,119
with my good friends Derek Colin dunno

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00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:39,750
and dr. Angie Maki and saikhan in Las

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Vegas all these things coming up to see

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out your 2019 and before I go another

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